nokk er nokk

[Truls med bogen]

et uhyre norrønt ord...det kommer av at det er nok av bue eller pil...nokk=slutt=ende
noen innvendinger?

[Stefflus]

Jeg bestrider ikke ordet, men ønsker meg en tekst der ordet står i sammenheng?
Ordet er jo tross alt brukt i en såvidt jeg vet ubrutt tradisjon uansett opphav, som nokkespill og nokk (capstan, eng.). Her er jo betydningen utelukkende til føringer for rep, tau og trosse, så i lys av at det er det samme brukskriteriet i buesammenheng jeg ville helst gjettet at det var slik, men det kan jo selvfølgelig være tuftet på eldre ord som har hatt betydningen "ende" eller "hakk"?

[Truls med bogen]

llllllllllllllllllllldet er enklte her på forumet som nok ville se meg dingle i rånokken..he he

et annet ord jeg tygger litt på er pilbørse...skal finne mer ut av dette med 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[nidrinr]

Artig nok kalles vanlige buer for "sprættbågå" på toten.

[Truls med bogen]

spennende...sprette pila av gårde... les også Falk og Torp om Bøsse....pilbøsse, pepperbøsse,sparebøsse, muligess utledert av treet Buskbom

[Stefflus]

Hadde noen et norrønt sitat der <nokk> er brukt?

[Truls med bogen]

på islandsk-----nog og endel er nokkrir

[Stefflus]

Det er jo akkurat samme på visse nynorskdialekter (ikke at det endrer noe), og når jeg hører uttalen til min islandske kjæreste er jeg ikke helt overbevist. Jeg har fortsatt ingen innvendinger til at det kan være slik, men jeg holder muligheten åpen for at det etymologiske har annen rot.

[Christian]

Tror nok at nokk er nærmere beslekta med hakk.

[Truls med bogen]

ja, man skal aldri være helt sikker, det er akademisk tenkemåte,,,hakk?? vel det er ikke hakk i rånokken

[Christian]

Men er det nokk da?

[dagsunde]

Det er nokk nokka gale her...

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[nilstor]

Når er nok nok? Eller er det alt mer enn nok ...?

Nåvel, Store Norske Leksikon sier dette om ordet nokk:

Bueskyting:
nokk – bueskyting:
… Hakk bakerst på pilen hvor strengen trykkes inn; spalte på buen hvor strengen festes. …

Skipsutstyr og maritime objekter:

nokk – sjøvesen – 1:
… Enden av et rundholt, særlig rå, gaffel, bom. Brukes også som betegnelse på det ytterste av en utstikkerbrygge. …

nokk – sjøvesen – 2:
… Innsvingt trommel på enden av vinsjens hovedaksel til bruk under innhivning av trosser o.l. …
Skipsutstyr og maritime objekter

Merriam Webster sier:

Definition of NOCK
1: one of the notches cut in either of two tips of horn fastened on the ends of a bow or in the bow itself for holding the string
2a: the part of an arrow having a notch for the bowstring
b: the notch itself

Origin of NOCK:
Middle English nocke notched tip on the end of a bow; akin to Middle Dutch nocke: summit
First Known Use: 14th century

Et aldri så lite språklig hjertesukk: Kan vi få tilbake det gode norske uttrykket "Nå er det nok!" Dette uttrykker irritasjon, frustrasjon og regelrett fortvilelese over at ett eller annet har gått fullstendig over støvleskaftene. Istedet har vi fått det forflatede og intetsigende "nok er nok", et uttryk som helt mangler substans. (Beklager, saftig OT, men jeg kunne ikke dy meg! Og "OT" er ikke stort bedre det,heller ...)

Nok nå?

[Are]

Rent bortsett fra Nils sitt siste innlegg har dette vært en lite givende tråd med mange skrivefeil og svært dårlige ordspill.

Som Nils skriver: Nå er det nok.
Videre usaklige innlegg vil bli slettet (Moderatortrussel)

[jamar]

Jeg måtte sjekke Falk og Torp (etymologisk ordbog over det norske og danske sprog), og etter å ha hugget bort litt av krattskogen deres er det stadig de to betydningene folk har vært inne på som står igjen.
Den maritime er fyldig redegjort for over.
Dertil har man en del ord som betyr hake eller tapp, fx den svenske sideformen nocka som spesifikt refererer til "innsnitt i tømmer", så jamføringen med "hakk" er ikke så gal.
Mer direkte finnes begrepet nocke i middelaldersk nederlandsk, med direkte betydning "indsnit i pilespids" Dette kan innebære a) at det er mothaken det refereres til, eller b) at Falk og Torp nok hadde bedre kunnskap om nordisk språk enn om bueskyting.

Mye rart her, men det er nok fordi ordet er av fellesgermansk opphav og finnes i et utall varianter i ulike språk. Fellestrekket kan vel sies å være at vi snakker om hakk eller tapp som har som funksjon å holde noe fast mot noe annet.

mvh jamar - (midlertidig gjenoppstått)